Dianabol

[Andrew]

I'm considering taking Dianabol for a cycle. I've read a lot about it and done a lot of research but I was just wonderin, at my age - 19 in two months - how beneficial would it be? Its because my gains have came to a halt, I eat, eat, eat and change my work out plan occasionally too but haven't gained any weight or size for a good few months now.

[bronson]

Originally Posted by Andrew

I'm considering taking Dianabol for a cycle. I've read a lot about it and done a lot of research but I was just wonderin, at my age - 19 in two months - how beneficial would it be? Its because my gains have came to a halt, I eat, eat, eat and change my work out plan occasionally too but haven't gained any weight or size for a good few months now.

Hey Andrew, whats up buddy? What happened with the norateen? Chris and Tex and others can help with your diet! Post up what you eat and at what times. To give them an idea. In the mean time don't get frustrated and read this:

Other than physical changes in an adolescents development, there are psycological factors to consider. Hormones are running high. Changes in the mental state. I realize people will do as they wish, but as far as a teenager and any form of drug goes, there is a whole different effect. As far as the number of teenagers who do steroids, these figures can be exaggerated. But the results of the study is whats important! Here is one such study!

Anabolic Steroids Flip The Adolescent Brain's Switch For Aggression, Animal Models Show
Main Category: Psychology / Psychiatry News
Article Date: 28 Feb 2006 - 1:00 PST
Article Also Appears In
Neurology / NeurosciencePediatricsSports Medicine / Fitness

Hamsters with 'roid rage' reveal that human teens may stay nasty for more than two years, with possible long-term brain impact.

Anabolic steroids not only make teens more aggressive, but may keep them that way into young adulthood. The effect ultimately wears off but there may be other, lasting consequences for the developing brain. These findings, published in February's Behavioral Neuroscience, also showed that aggression rose and fell in synch with neurotransmitter levels in the brain's aggression control region. Behavioral Neuroscience is published by the American Psychological Association (APA).

Neuroscientists are deeply concerned about rising adolescent abuse of anabolic-androgenic steroids (AASs), given the National Institute on Drug Abuse's estimate that nearly half a million eighth- and 10th-grade students abuse AASs each year. Not only do steroids set kids up for heavier use of steroids and other drugs later in life, but long-term users can suffer from mood swings, hallucinations and paranoia; liver damage; high blood pressure; as well as increased risk of heart disease, stroke and some types of cancer. Withdrawal often brings depression, and recent research suggests that some AASs may even be habit-forming.

Overseen by Richard Melloni Jr., PhD, of Northeastern University in Boston, the current study of 76 adolescent hamsters compared how individual hamsters behaved when another hamster was put into their cages. Normally mild-mannered hamsters still defend their turf, learning aggression during puberty by play-fighting, much like humans. Their roughhousing normally includes wrestling and nibbling - pretty tame stuff.

However, hamsters injected with commonly used steroids (suspended in oil) became extremely aggressive. Even after the drug was withdrawn, the newly vicious hamsters attacked, bit and chased the intruders. In fact, their aggressiveness measured ten times greater than that of control hamsters injected with oil only. Their full-blown aggression - clearly drug-induced -- lasted for nearly two weeks of withdrawal, the equivalent of half their adolescence. Eventually, the aggressiveness subsided; by three weeks of withdrawal, all the hamsters greeted intruders with normal, playful defensiveness.

Autopsy revealed that the outward aggressiveness correlated with inner changes in the brain. When the drugged hamsters were hostile hosts, a part of their brains called the anterior hypothalamus pumped out more of a neurotransmitter called vasopressin. By three weeks of withdrawal, vasopressin levels subsided in parallel with the aggressive behavior. The anterior hypothalamus regulates aggression and social behavior. Thus, vasopressin - already known to stimulate that area - appears to fuel the engine of aggression. And, says Melloni, "Steroids step on the gas for agression."

Thus, the neuroscientists conclude that the aggressiveness triggered by anabolic steroids, although reversible, may last long enough to create serious behavioral problems for adults. Because this part of the rodent and human nervous systems are similar, researchers generalize their findings to humans. As a result, Melloni and his colleagues speculate that anabolic steroids can dramatically shorten teenage fuses (not known for length under the best of circumstances) and make young people "pop off" for years, a danger to themselves and to others. Melloni and others researchers also are concerned that drug use during a critical window in brain development can change their wiring for good. He says, "Because the developing brain is more adaptable and pliable, steroids could change the trajectory if administered during development." His lab is releasing other new findings, as yet unpublished, that the serotonin system - implicated in depression - may never recover.

"If you hit the right areas of the brain at the right time, you make permanent changes," Melloni concludes from the converging evidence.

He hopes that adolescents don't take the ultimate recovery of the vasopressin system to mean it's OK to use the drugs. "It's our hope that people considering the use of these drugs weigh the long-term health risks and the serious potential for aggression and violence. Muscle mass and medals aren't worth the risk of hurting someone or landing in jail."

Finally, researchers such as Melloni hope these new insights can lead to treatments for aggressive behavior, with or without steroid abuse. "Linking aggression to fluctuations in vasopressin makes it an important neurotransmitter to target for pharmacotherapy," he says.

Note: Vasopressin, when released by the pituitary gland into the blood, is also known as anti-diuretic hormone (ADH). The same molecule that regulates aggression and social behavior when released in the brain also regulates the body's water balance when released into the bloodstream.

Article: "Plasticity in anterior hypothalamic vasopressin correlates with aggression during anabolic-androgenic steroid withdrawal in hamsters," Jill M. Grimes, PhD, Lesley A. Ricci, PhD, and Richard H. Melloni Jr., PhD., Northeastern University. Behavioral Neuroscience, Vol. 120, No. 1.

Full text of the article is available from the APA Public Affairs Office (PDF)

The American Psychological Association (APA), in Washington, DC, is the largest scientific and professional organization representing psychology in the United States and is the world's largest association of psychologists. APA's membership includes more than 150,000 researchers, educators, clinicians, consultants and students. Through its divisions in 53 subfields of psychology and affiliations with 60 state, territorial and Canadian provincial associations, APA works to advance psychology as a science, as a profession and as a means of promoting human welfare.

Pam Willenz
public.affairs@apa.org
American Psychological Association
http://www.apa.org

Click on the knowledge post and the post your cycle post here in the steroid forum and read them both! Make sure if nothing else, you read Tex's post on youth and steroids at the end of the post your cycle thread!

[bronson]

It seems like I am always the bad guy, but if we are going to discuss steroids or steroid related subjects, shouldn't we have a template, asking someones goals-age-any health issues-ect.? And if people are going to ask questions, profiles are going to be a must. We just had a question on Dianabol. If you did a search on dianabol it might say it is classified as an anabolic steroid. What some of the searches might not say is you can still have androgenic side effects, acne,oily skin, ect.

Not pointing a finger at Andrew, but age was a factor in the question. And we all know how I feel about adolescents and steroids, so I put up studies and info. I would like to say to Andrew, If you feel I come on too strong with my views, I am sorry. But it's not because I don't care, it's because I do when it comes to steroids and youth.

Templates and profiles would make the steroid forum run a lot smoother in my opinion. And make it easier for our expert alb tex to educate us. Enough of my rant. NOW GO VOTE YES FOR THE PROFILES! PLEASE!

[Andrew]

The Norateen has helped my strength but I don't feel as though I am any closer to my ideal weight, well maybe I have put on a couple of pounds but nowhere near what Norateen promises.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Andrew

The Norateen has helped my strength but I don't feel as though I am any closer to my ideal weight, well maybe I have put on a couple of pounds but nowhere near what Norateen promises.

Andrew, let me ask you a question...how long have you been training? I have been training for over ten years, and have been competing in bodybuilding for over four. Throughout the past four years, bodybuilding and my physique is my number one priority. It comes ahead of my normal 9-5 job, ahead of a social life...that is my passion. I have been training hard & dieting consistently all that time. And let me tell you...I am not at my ideal weight either brother! We all go through the same challenges. When it comes to building your physique it simply takes time and consistency. I know no one wants to hear that because it's not easy. But, that's the reality for most people. You can't expect it to happen over a period of weeks or months....it just doesn't work way. We all go through the same challenges of building our physiques...trying to get leaner, trying to get more muscular, trying to fix our precieved weaknesses in our physiques. You're not alone. I would suggest you stay the course, keep learning, keep training, keep dieting, and re-evaluate a few years down the line.

I'm not here to bash steroids. I'm not one of those natural bodybuilders that thinks I'm special based on my natural status. I just don't want you to look for the quick fix, the easy path, and short term fix. That's not the kind of attitude that gives success in anything in life & the same is true of building your physique. Steroids can be used safely and effectivly, but should be by those who have years of experience under their belt. At your age you have so much untapped potential that it would be unneccessary. Hope that perspective helps a little. Best!

[Andrew]

Thats Chris. I've been going to the gym since I was about 15, so for just under 4 years. I've been training more seriously and more regularly - i.e. with the gym as a 'passion' - for just under the past two years.

[bronson]

Originally Posted by Andrew

The Norateen has helped my strength but I don't feel as though I am any closer to my ideal weight, well maybe I have put on a couple of pounds but nowhere near what Norateen promises.

Lets do it this way. Say you were 30 and asked this question. I am thinking about taking steroids. Will it help me with my goals? What do I need to know about steroids?

One might answer, First you learn what steroids are and what they do. There are different steroids for different goals. Steroids can create side effects, and some need to be run with anti-estrogens along side of them.

You need to understand that you still have to plan a diet according to your goals. You still need a workout plan.What is your goal, 15, 20lb weight gain. Is it 15lbs. of lean muscle your looking for. Is dropping BF your main goal. Are you aware that if you don't train wright and your diet is not dialed in you will still not achieve your goals.

One might ask. Lets see what your training schedule is. When and what do you eat. Am to Pm. Have you ever done any cycles before is a good question. What are your goals. Is there any health concerns one should be aware of is a good question. Starting to get the picture?

One might say, are you aware that if your training is not on and your diet is not dialed in that no steroid is going to achieve your goals.

One might say are you aware that with taking any drug, risks can be involved. See knowledge in the steroid forum for risks for young adults.

One might say are you aware that steroids can shut you down. One might say do you know you have to plan a post cycle therapy to start at a certain time to be effective. There is a lot more to it than, I think i'll just take this.

After all this, someone might make a choice to do steroids. And a lot of times they put up a cycle. And one might say, You know what, thats not a good first cycle IMO, because of this or that or its not a good choice for your goals. I hope this gives everyone an idea about steroid use. I hope this helps
people understand some of my posts. bronson.

[bbigjim]

hello andrew,
I have suffered with the same problem before three months but now iam happy to say that i have gained a weight of 20lbs within 1 month .All this goes to http://www.steroid-encyclopaedia.com/

this has helped me alot to improve my physic with excellent muscles,weight and full of confidence.I hope you can find much more in SE to resolve your problem.
Thank you.

[bronson]

SE is an excellent site. And in my opinion the best. There are members who could help with training and diet. But if you join SE at 19 years old to get cycle advice, your not going to here what you want to here. SE does not promote steroid use for teenagers in any way, shape or form!

[Andrew]

Things are currently going well. No definite side affects and I feel great at the gym.